{"id":4358,"date":"2011-08-25T15:55:26","date_gmt":"2011-08-25T14:55:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.betangel.com\/blog_wp\/?p=4358"},"modified":"2012-09-05T21:56:31","modified_gmt":"2012-09-05T20:56:31","slug":"eye-watering","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.betfairtradingblog.com\/blog_wp\/2011\/08\/25\/eye-watering\/","title":{"rendered":"Eye Watering"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve been playing around with spreadsheets and a number of other strategies recently. With the increase in commission charges levied against me, I figured it would make sense to look outside my normal activity. While it&#8217;s flattering to know you are better than 99.9% of market participants have ever been, it&#8217;s less flattering to give away the majority of your profit! By &#8216;normal activity&#8217; I am talking &#8216;active&#8217; participation. I now have a very big incentive to find less manual ways of participating in the market.<\/p>\n<p>One area I have been re-examining is that of value. The reason I am examining this area is that the market on Betfair is remarkable efficient now. In fact it is too efficient, I&#8217;m struggling to see how layers can make anything at some of the prices on offer! You can often get a pretty competitive big field handicap where the outcome on the race is very uncertain, yet the market is priced very close to 100% for a lot of the time. At this level, due to the variability in returns and more normal commission rates, I think it&#8217;s possible to overturn the margin lost to the other side of the book. This is actually what brought me to exchanges in the first place.<\/p>\n<p>So I blundered in last week with a neat idea that would probably overturn this negligible percentage. I got lucky as, to my surprise, I managed to not only overturn that small percentage but pick a LOT of winners. This was unfortunate as you expect this now and again with a value strategy, not just right at the start. This is the second time this has happened to me.<\/p>\n<p>The net upshot is that I now find myself back at square one. Because of the higher rate commission paid, I have to take a theoretical eye watering massive loss on these positions. I could wait for things to even out, but I am not sure that I can overcome the difference between normal commission and the super premium charge. I have quickly shuffled this strategy off to Betdaq. I tried this on Betfair because I though generating commission would help lower my charges. But when you look at the detail it seems you actually need to win and lose a huge amount of money to stand any chance of paying much lower commission. So much, it looks impossible to me.<\/p>\n<p>I could be wrong, if any body has done the maths, please send me a spreadsheet!<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.reuters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2006\/05\/eye300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"203\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n<p id=\"pvc_stats_4358\" class=\"pvc_stats all  \" data-element-id=\"4358\" style=\"\"><i class=\"pvc-stats-icon medium\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><svg aria-hidden=\"true\" focusable=\"false\" data-prefix=\"far\" data-icon=\"chart-bar\" role=\"img\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" viewBox=\"0 0 512 512\" class=\"svg-inline--fa fa-chart-bar fa-w-16 fa-2x\"><path fill=\"currentColor\" d=\"M396.8 352h22.4c6.4 0 12.8-6.4 12.8-12.8V108.8c0-6.4-6.4-12.8-12.8-12.8h-22.4c-6.4 0-12.8 6.4-12.8 12.8v230.4c0 6.4 6.4 12.8 12.8 12.8zm-192 0h22.4c6.4 0 12.8-6.4 12.8-12.8V140.8c0-6.4-6.4-12.8-12.8-12.8h-22.4c-6.4 0-12.8 6.4-12.8 12.8v198.4c0 6.4 6.4 12.8 12.8 12.8zm96 0h22.4c6.4 0 12.8-6.4 12.8-12.8V204.8c0-6.4-6.4-12.8-12.8-12.8h-22.4c-6.4 0-12.8 6.4-12.8 12.8v134.4c0 6.4 6.4 12.8 12.8 12.8zM496 400H48V80c0-8.84-7.16-16-16-16H16C7.16 64 0 71.16 0 80v336c0 17.67 14.33 32 32 32h464c8.84 0 16-7.16 16-16v-16c0-8.84-7.16-16-16-16zm-387.2-48h22.4c6.4 0 12.8-6.4 12.8-12.8v-70.4c0-6.4-6.4-12.8-12.8-12.8h-22.4c-6.4 0-12.8 6.4-12.8 12.8v70.4c0 6.4 6.4 12.8 12.8 12.8z\" class=\"\"><\/path><\/svg><\/i> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"16\" height=\"16\" alt=\"Loading\" src=\"https:\/\/www.betfairtradingblog.com\/blog_wp\/wp-content\/plugins\/page-views-count\/ajax-loader-2x.gif\" border=0 \/><\/p>\n<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"twitter-share\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/intent\/tweet?via=betangel\" class=\"twitter-share-button\">Tweet<\/a><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve been playing around with spreadsheets and a number of other strategies recently. 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